These Are the 2 Charts Bill Nye Used to Defeat Ken Ham in Their Creationism Debate

The Creation Museum in Petersburg, Ky., has a simple motto: Prepare to believe.

But on Tuesday night when beloved public scientist, children's show host and bow tie enthusiast Bill Nye faced off against bestselling Christian author and museum proprietor Ken Ham, Bill Nye was prepared to do anything but believe.

The debate was nearly 3 hours long. In that time, Ham appealed repeatedly to the idea that "science has been hijacked by secularists," and that people like Nye are seeking to indoctrinate children to "the religion of naturalism."

Nye rode out the entire night patiently, but he had his answer early on in two quick charts. Based on, you guessed it, 


Ham's vision of creationism is predicated on a belief that "this giant boat — very large wooden ship — went aground safely on a mountain in what we now call the Middle East. And so places like Australia are populated then by animals who somehow managed to get from the Middle East all the way to Australia in the last four thousand years ... We would expect then — somewhere — between the Middle East and Australia, we would expect to find evidence of kangaroos."

No such luck:


He went on to argue against the elaboration of "a land bridge that allowed these animals to get from Asia all the way to the continent of Australia and that land bridge has disappeared." But no one has ever found evidence of the bridge.

But Nye didn't stop there. He attacked the very idea of an Arc in the first place. "Another remarkable thing I'd like everybody to consider. Inherent in this world view is that somehow Noah and his family were able to build a wooden ship that would house 14,000 individuals ... And they had to feed them, and I understand that Mr. Ham has some explanations for that which I frankly find extraordinary [vegetarianism among lions]."

He then pointed out that in the early 1900's the Wyoming Schooner — the largest wooden ship ever built — was so long it twisted to the point of sinking. "Is that reasonable? Is that possible? That the best shipbuilders in the world couldn't do what eight unskilled people — men and their wives — were able to do?"


Not to be outdone, Ham had charts of his own to back up his argument.

Namely, a chart on the decline of Christian values and the rise of secular science:


And this rather helpful summary of how secular 'scientists' and Christians who believe in a millions-of-years-old Earth think about evolution:


In 3 hours of debate, it didn't take long for Nye to win this one.

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Ben moved to NYC in October. He is currently the editor of the Mic Music section. He graduated from Harvard in 2013 with a degree in American History & Literature and a secondary in Mind/Brain/Behavior. Outside of work, he is an active musician.

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